Ellis Ramos
Sep/050
Ellis Ramos
Was Joe Bugner Underrated?
I ask this, because whenever his name is mentioned, it is met with derision or sarcasm, often hate.
It seems to stem from his win over Henry Cooper, and possibly because he was of Hungarian origin.
But i feel Bugner was underrated, he gave Joe Frazier a hell of a fight, losing very narrowly, and fought well twice against Ali.
Bugner also beat good fighters in a good era, as well as Cooper, he defeated Jimmy Young, Jimmy Ellis, Manuel Ramos, Chuck Wepner, Eduardo Corletti among others. And even in the 80's he badly beat Greg Page, and also former contenders David Bey and James Tillis, not to mention Bonecrusher Smith, Anders Eklund etc.
Sure he fought badly sometimes, not trying against Ron Lyle, Marvis Frazier and Steffan Tangstad, fights he was well capable of winning......but i think that was because the public never really got behind him.
You have explained the reason for all of the 'hate' against Joe Bugner - it's race. While Henry Cooper, is a Cockney and English and of the Anglo-Saxon race, Joe Bugner was seen as a foreigner and more importantly, a Hun.
So, it's a race thing really.
Strange to relate however that no one ever slagged off Mohammed Ali for beating Henry Cooper - well at least Henry managed to slap Ali to the canvas for the count of 2. Best try ever.
Them woz the daze!!
Below - Clay [Ali] vs Cooper - commentary Harry Carpenter [I think - sounds like]
YouTube - Muhammed Ali vs. Henry Cooper
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YouTube - Joe Bugner | Profile
Still, through the 1970s, Bugner fought them all, including Henry Cooper, ...
Muhammad Ali vs Joe Bugner2 1975 (intro and round 1) ... 2008 YouTube, LLC.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MHz5QMTdg8
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